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Well, he, he stayed overnight at Bishop's Court. Uh And I didn't see a great deal of him because uh his party uh colleagues uh they were having their meetings and the only time that I kept seeing was that I was getting calls. Uh This is the

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White House. Uh This is a State house here. This is, I mean, various political leaders in, in the world were calling in to congratulate him to wish him well. Yes, I mean, it was, it was, it was quite amazing. Yeah, but I mean, his, his contribution

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is immeasurable. Um his stature. Uh I mean, for someone who was the, the commander in chief of the military wing of the A NC to be at the forefront of persuading people that it would be better for us to, to negotiate. It is better for us

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to lay down our arms and, and then to try to leave that out. I mean, you know, he invited to his inauguration, he invited his wife, one of the first people to come and have lunch with him in, in, in State House was uh the man

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who had been the prosecutor. Uh the man who had sent him to Robben Island, who in fact had asked for the death penalty. Uh That was the first guy he invited to come and have lunch with him uh when he became president and he also invited

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the widows of political leaders, most of whom were afrikaners and he went to visit the widow of doctor. Oh, incredible.